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. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. wit
. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there...
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the thing that's depressing about the fiscal cliff plan, we will change the tax code, change this, a tax on gas to help the energy industry, all this stuff has receded into the mist and all we're trying to do is get a deal and be done with this. it is sad. in the beginning of a second term, you should be trying to do big things. >> politics often gets in the way. these guys agree behind closed doors what should be done but nobody wants to step out on the ledge and say it publicly. >> right. you have a polarized congress. at this point, both sides think the other side is not on the level and they're interested in taking the partisan political position than accomplishing a bipartisan result. the good thing is high skilled immigrants. hard not to find someone on both sides that don't think you should allow folks that have expertise in science and technology into the country. instead of doing it, both sides use it as a lever in the immigration debate and keeps getting spooled up inside that debate and nothing gets done. >> haven't the republicans been passing it through the house and dem
the thing that's depressing about the fiscal cliff plan, we will change the tax code, change this, a tax on gas to help the energy industry, all this stuff has receded into the mist and all we're trying to do is get a deal and be done with this. it is sad. in the beginning of a second term, you should be trying to do big things. >> politics often gets in the way. these guys agree behind closed doors what should be done but nobody wants to step out on the ledge and say it publicly....
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the reason, well, the fiscal cliff. the current rate is 35%. only those estates worth 5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff the rate shoots up to 55%. anyone worth an estate worth $1 million or more has it file. that will catch tens of thousands of tax payers in the net of the estate tax. republicans want it abolished or current rates to be made permanent. obama wants 45% rate and 3.5 million cut off. that mid way between today's rates and old rate. the problem is that even some democrats are siding with republicans saying they want it keep current rates. all the sides here tyler remain very far apart. wealthy families need 20 rewrite their wills and charity plans. for the country, there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake. under old rates, they raise $532 billion by 2021. obama plan raised around $270 billion, about half. gop raises about $161 billion. the fight over taxing the rich, especially in the estate tax, is far from over. back to you, tyler. >> not the first time the estate tax has come up in these kinds of n
the reason, well, the fiscal cliff. the current rate is 35%. only those estates worth 5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff the rate shoots up to 55%. anyone worth an estate worth $1 million or more has it file. that will catch tens of thousands of tax payers in the net of the estate tax. republicans want it abolished or current rates to be made permanent. obama wants 45% rate and 3.5 million cut off. that mid way between today's rates and old rate. the problem is that even...
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does this fiscal cliff stuff worry you and the prospect of higher taxes worry you? what do you think? >> i think it worries all of us, doesn't it? i'm one that has faith. i believe something is going to happen. i believe we'll have a deal before it gets over the cliff personally. i'm an optimist. >> you're in farming. you have a guesthouse on your land down in georgia. what do you your customers tell you about the state of the economy? >> we get varying points of view from the discussions we have at the plantation. again, i think the majority of folks that come and, you know, have discussions of all types, especially when it gets to the economy, they are optimists and they feel like the country is getting better, albeit more slowly than we would all like. but i think the overall feeling is that it's going to be okay. just take a deep breath, move forward. >> let's turn to music, shall we, steve, come on. >> if you don't know one of the things he's famous for, rolling stones, 1982 but the most classic piano solo in the history of rock and roll, the one on jessica. ev
does this fiscal cliff stuff worry you and the prospect of higher taxes worry you? what do you think? >> i think it worries all of us, doesn't it? i'm one that has faith. i believe something is going to happen. i believe we'll have a deal before it gets over the cliff personally. i'm an optimist. >> you're in farming. you have a guesthouse on your land down in georgia. what do you your customers tell you about the state of the economy? >> we get varying points of view from the...
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we talk about everything from nuclear iran to the fiscal cliff. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> that interview airing this time tomorrow right here on cnn newsroom. people have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, and we do everything we can
we talk about everything from nuclear iran to the fiscal cliff. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> that interview airing this time tomorrow right here on cnn newsroom. people have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in...
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they met yesterday to discuss the fiscal cliff. the president will visit a diameter eco-plant in redford. and as "the detroit news" reports, the company plans to announce $109 investment in that plan for new technology and expanding their production. you can watch the president's remarks live at about 2:00 eastern over on our companion network, c-span. >> friday, former reagan officials reflected on the 1987 negotiations on a nuclear missile treaty with the soviet union. the intermediate nuclear forces treaty, or inf, led to the destruction of thousands of europe-based nuclear missiles on both sides. speakers here will include former assistant secretary of state richard burt, former u.s. ambassador to the soviet union, jack matlock, and will also there from former assistant secretary of state rozanne ridgway. the american foreign service association posted this hour and 20 minute event. >> i would like to wish all other good morning. one. i'm susan johnson, the president and i would like to extend a very warm welcome to you all. an
they met yesterday to discuss the fiscal cliff. the president will visit a diameter eco-plant in redford. and as "the detroit news" reports, the company plans to announce $109 investment in that plan for new technology and expanding their production. you can watch the president's remarks live at about 2:00 eastern over on our companion network, c-span. >> friday, former reagan officials reflected on the 1987 negotiations on a nuclear missile treaty with the soviet union. the...
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the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spenng cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and remember the people who put you in office. >> nadia ramdass, wbal-tv 11 news. >> jews around the world celebrated the beginning of hanukkah saturday night. in chicago, hundreds gathered to watch the lighting of an overicized menorah. hanukkah commemorates the jewish uprising in the second century b.c. according to tradition, when the jews dedicated the temple in jerusalem, a single vial of oil burned for eight days. and some people celebrated hanukkah with a dance party. creative alliance hosted a party with music, dancing and singing. >> tonight is first night of hanukkah, the celebration that brings light into the darkness and we celebrate freedom and liberation movements and really ha
the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spenng cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and remember the people who put you in office. >> nadia ramdass, wbal-tv...
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. >>> president obama says the approaching fiscal cliff is going to add some stress for a lot of american families over this holiday season. there are just 25 days to go now until the tax hikes and the budget cuts go into effect. that is unless our leaders can make a deal. the white house has made it clear, we could go over that cliff if republicans refuse to raise tax rates on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives awe sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> now, from the republican perspective they say they would like to close some loopholes and eliminate tax breaks but they insist that the bush-era tax cuts must be extended for all americans. >>> new at 11:00, president obama on the phone with the president of egypt, pressing him about protests that have now turned deadly. here's the scene in cairo. at least six people dead, hundreds more injured. the trouble all started when morrisey granted himself broad new powers. hat grown worse after he put in plac
. >>> president obama says the approaching fiscal cliff is going to add some stress for a lot of american families over this holiday season. there are just 25 days to go now until the tax hikes and the budget cuts go into effect. that is unless our leaders can make a deal. the white house has made it clear, we could go over that cliff if republicans refuse to raise tax rates on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and...
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rates. >> going over the fiscal cliff also means the 2% payroll tax holiday would expire. it would mean cuts in unemployment benefits for millions of families. lawmakers have until december 31st to agree on a deal. >>> as we reported earlier this evening, the president took a break to join the first family for the lighting of the national christmas tree on the ellipse. as fox 5's bob barnard tells us, others there say that icy chill in the air needs to thaw if we're ever going to avoid that fiscal cliff. >> reporter: yes, the president and malia obama with sasha and first lady michelle leading a chorus of santa claus is coming to town. >> one. >> reporter: the ceremony of music and lights as the national christmas tree comes to life. >> i'm so excited for christmas. i can feel christmas already now. >> reporter: but the holiday cheer, the spectacle of this illuminating tradition tempered by thoughts of the looming fiscal cliff. >> he's making us wait a little bit. >> reporter: this is 6-month- old evan nicolsky. his father neil works for the department of agriculture. >> w
rates. >> going over the fiscal cliff also means the 2% payroll tax holiday would expire. it would mean cuts in unemployment benefits for millions of families. lawmakers have until december 31st to agree on a deal. >>> as we reported earlier this evening, the president took a break to join the first family for the lighting of the national christmas tree on the ellipse. as fox 5's bob barnard tells us, others there say that icy chill in the air needs to thaw if we're ever going to...
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rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and this was a step they had to take to help both sides come to a deal. >> maybe it will help because a lot of these guys are very, very influential. speaking of the fiscal cliff, jessica, what did the fed chairman ben bernanke say about these current negotiations? >> well, bernanke is the man credited with coining the term fiscal cliff. he did it back in february as part of testimony before congress. bernanke was speaking at a press conference today and he was asked two things. one, does he see impacts from the fiscal cliff, the lack of a deal, is it alrea
rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and...
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>> reporter: saying a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the president. >> we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are voicing support for extending middle class tax cuts until a larger deal is found. >> which i hope they will. that that will be a victory for the american people. >> reporter: republicans, like virginia's eric cantor, said the gop has offered plans that will avoid tax hikes. >> and the proposal that we sent to the president deserves a response. >> repor
>> reporter: saying a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a...
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we'll have the latest capitol hill over could happen should we go over the fiscal cliff. have a new report that moving into the s moving out who i and why. see you in a few minutes. >> tonight, we will find out happened to the president's scandal. cliffhanger left is wondering shot -- as the vice president takes control. e must all join hands and pray for our president. as you about your heads, rest assured i am in the white house charge of the situation. >> see what happens on the all "scandal." lookeds take another it to see what is happening with the national christmas tree lighting. neil patrick harris is the host this year. waiting on the of the first family. they should be there within the next few minutes. come out and flipped switch. >> always a beautiful sight. >> this will be interesting they change to the for the first time. we will see what that looks like. >> let's check in on however is feeling. >> getting into the holiday with the cold weather. we want to start our coverage lapse.time we will put it in motion for the next couple of hours. the son moving rig
we'll have the latest capitol hill over could happen should we go over the fiscal cliff. have a new report that moving into the s moving out who i and why. see you in a few minutes. >> tonight, we will find out happened to the president's scandal. cliffhanger left is wondering shot -- as the vice president takes control. e must all join hands and pray for our president. as you about your heads, rest assured i am in the white house charge of the situation. >> see what happens on the...
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., the fiscal cliff story. the challenge is, changes to tax law that make it more expensive to own a home. >> if the mortgage interest rate deduction were eliminated, what would happen to this forecast up 950? >> absolutely catastrophic. >> so, here's very bullish. 950 in terms of housing starts added next year, an increase of 22%. if the mortgage deduction is eliminated, we could be looking at flat. coming out today in a report, saying that the fiscal cliff could reverse u.s. home price improvements. so, that sees like a lot of risk built into the sector here. >> yeah, if you look at the sector, evaluation wise -- hd and lowe's price to earnings ratio are above where they were during the peak of the housing bubble. that's a lot of hammers that you have to sell here. i'm short. that's the way to play it. >> there's a rise which has just within phenomenal and then there's the actual housing market which has had a nice bump but nowhere near what we've seen in the equities, so, i think we could see both, them come
., the fiscal cliff story. the challenge is, changes to tax law that make it more expensive to own a home. >> if the mortgage interest rate deduction were eliminated, what would happen to this forecast up 950? >> absolutely catastrophic. >> so, here's very bullish. 950 in terms of housing starts added next year, an increase of 22%. if the mortgage deduction is eliminated, we could be looking at flat. coming out today in a report, saying that the fiscal cliff could reverse u.s....
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. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first check, second paycheck, then you get the chaos that bowles mentioned. and the chaos is, wow, i have much less to spend. i didn't know this was coming. alternative minimum tax being the silent killer who really understands how much more they have to pay, check at the end of the year. do the math. >> we saw it in the consumer sentiment numbers, and what it will be when the increases actually go through. most of that decline in sentiment that we saw on friday was from households earning more than $75,000. a higher income in this survey, households felt it the most, even though it's not here technically. >> one of the more interesting conversations over the weekend was bob corker saying, let's just go ahead, concede to the tax argument, which w
. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first check, second paycheck, then you get the chaos that bowles mentioned. and the chaos is, wow, i have much less to spend. i didn't know this was...
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their insistence on holding tax cuts for middle class families hostage to the fiscal cliff. there's a lot of bluster coming from republicans but that facade is crumbling quickly. every day we read about more republicans breaking rank, calling on the speaker to allow tax rates to rise on the wealthiest. yesterday, it was carson and culver. today former governor haley barbour, here's what he said. i as a republican would take raising rates on the two top brackets if we had tax reform and some other things he wanted. but he wants the rate to go up on the top two brackets. as soon as the republicans accept reality and guarantee middle clats families their taxes won't go up, i'm confident an agreement will be reached. >> the last few years, you -- some republicans are saying that this is restricting the amendment process and part of the reason why they're -- that they are threaten -- threatening to filibuster. why have you chose ton purr suze those practices. >> i've explained this before. we have to spend eight to 10 days, senate days, that's a couple of weeks, to get on a bill.
their insistence on holding tax cuts for middle class families hostage to the fiscal cliff. there's a lot of bluster coming from republicans but that facade is crumbling quickly. every day we read about more republicans breaking rank, calling on the speaker to allow tax rates to rise on the wealthiest. yesterday, it was carson and culver. today former governor haley barbour, here's what he said. i as a republican would take raising rates on the two top brackets if we had tax reform and some...
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the president did not meet with congressional leaders on the fiscal cliff, instead, he met with a local middle class family. danielle lee joins us from capitol hill. danielle? >> reporter: doreen, president obama said he's highlighting the impact of tax heights on the middle class. there's growing pressure to stop the campaigning and sit down face to face. avoiding the bickering on capitol hill today, president obama headed to northern virginia. he sat down with tiffany santana and her family to put a face on the fiscal cliff. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem, gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: tef any had used twitter to tell the president her family can't afford a tax increase. and the white house released this video. >> $2,000 for me would be paying a month's rent. >> reporter: back in washington, more gridlock. >> it's up to the republicans to decide how long it's going to take. >> the president actually isn't interested in a balanced agreement. >> reporte
the president did not meet with congressional leaders on the fiscal cliff, instead, he met with a local middle class family. danielle lee joins us from capitol hill. danielle? >> reporter: doreen, president obama said he's highlighting the impact of tax heights on the middle class. there's growing pressure to stop the campaigning and sit down face to face. avoiding the bickering on capitol hill today, president obama headed to northern virginia. he sat down with tiffany santana and her...
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this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few
this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of...
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we are told that $200 a month tax increase on middle class if we go over the fiscal cliff will doom us. well die. whole country will go bankrupt. you understand my facetiousness. but we spend well over $200 a m on things that didn't even exist ten years ago. the smart phones pb apps. cars. why are we spending 200 a m on things that didn't even exist back then. >> you don't feel it the the same way. >> you have to australia to get that for your tax says all can i say. thank you, lauren young. >> thank you. >> and she called it a chastity belt, maybe that's a brand in i don't know. i'm not hip. >> it was back in the medieval times. definite lay brand. >>> speaking of spending, luxury for less is turning into a trend this holiday season. retailers are struggling in flag ship stores but are cleaning up in outlets, right, courtney? you've been tracking this trend and you are in an outlet in new jersey as well? >> that's right, i am, mandy. it seems the consumers are finding value in the off price luxury. especially outlet centers like this one here and it is surprising a number of analyst a
we are told that $200 a month tax increase on middle class if we go over the fiscal cliff will doom us. well die. whole country will go bankrupt. you understand my facetiousness. but we spend well over $200 a m on things that didn't even exist ten years ago. the smart phones pb apps. cars. why are we spending 200 a m on things that didn't even exist back then. >> you don't feel it the the same way. >> you have to australia to get that for your tax says all can i say. thank you,...
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if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a half to one and republicans can negotiate it to two or two and a half to one, i mean, that would be an adult, mature, sensible negotiation. the kind that i used to do with the democra
if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him...
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. >>> in fiscal cliff negotiations, it's looking more like president obama could get his way on tax hikes for the wealthy. he met behind closed doors with house speaker john boehner at the white house this afternoon. no word yet on what came out of those talks, but an increasing number of congressional republicans are indicating they'll accept a tax -- >> we have spent all this time talking about revenue, but as we watched our government continue to spend more. this is really about spending. >> will i accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> across the board tax hikes and spending cuts will automatically kick in if the white house and congress continueeach a deal now in 22 days. >>> dallas cowboys player remains behind bars tonight after a deadly crash that killed a teammate. defensive lineman josh brent is being held on half a million dollars bond. his lawyer called that excessive. police say brent was driving drunk when he crashed his car in the dallas suburb of irving yesterday. tem me teammate jerry brown died in the crash. a moment of silence
. >>> in fiscal cliff negotiations, it's looking more like president obama could get his way on tax hikes for the wealthy. he met behind closed doors with house speaker john boehner at the white house this afternoon. no word yet on what came out of those talks, but an increasing number of congressional republicans are indicating they'll accept a tax -- >> we have spent all this time talking about revenue, but as we watched our government continue to spend more. this is really...
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house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> cenk: now look, i'll tell i couldn't this pisses me off. lindsey graham says the same thing. this is not time to be liberal. conservatives say time to be conservatives. we've got a mandate. but not time to be liberal time to be bipartisan. you play small ball. you're not a man. a man agrees with us? why, a man kicks your
house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as...
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taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending on them is overtly far beyond its necessity. >> stephanie: it is more than the military asks for. congress is trying to give them more. >> to do what with? it is not like they're not ahead technologically from -- on every front. >> but we need to be able to blow up the world 150 times not 147. >> stephanie: otherwise we're french and gay. ron in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: good morning, steph. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i don't understand why john boehner think -- unless he's
taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending...
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cliff. you can get alerts -- effected if we go over this cliff. you can get alerts on your phone. >>> jessica doyle is here. she leads the effects on you team this morning. she's looking at the impact on federal contractors in northern virginia. of course we have tons of federal contractors here. >> diving over the cliff would have an across-the-board ripple effect around the country. we know that's the case. in fairfax county, they could be particularly vulnerable. big cutbacks in government spending could mean big trouble for information technology and defense-related contracting firms that carry a lot of federal business. if spending on those firms gets cut, a lot of people could be out of a job. >> if you go make the kind of cuts that some are suggesting happen, then you're really hurting a lot of the small businesses and residents in fairfax county who rely on federal contracts for their livelihood. ultimately that trickles down to and affects fairfax county. >> fairfax county alone too
cliff. you can get alerts -- effected if we go over this cliff. you can get alerts on your phone. >>> jessica doyle is here. she leads the effects on you team this morning. she's looking at the impact on federal contractors in northern virginia. of course we have tons of federal contractors here. >> diving over the cliff would have an across-the-board ripple effect around the country. we know that's the case. in fairfax county, they could be particularly vulnerable. big cutbacks...
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we've got more work to do. 24 days until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a deal coming out of washington, d.c.? cnbc correspondent joins us with all the details. >> reporter: as you know the white house's strategy since the election has been to break republican resistance on two issues. one is tax rates and one is an increase in the debt limit. he hasn't succeeded or budged off that attempt so far which is why john boehner came out in a news conference today and slammed the white house for not being willing to compromise. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> a few hours later you had a slight indication of flexibility from the administration. vice president joe biden was out. he reiterated those two nonnegotiable demands on the part of the administratio
we've got more work to do. 24 days until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a deal coming out of washington, d.c.? cnbc correspondent joins us with all the details. >> reporter: as you know the white house's strategy since the election has been to break republican resistance on two issues. one is tax rates and one is an increase in the debt limit. he hasn't succeeded or budged off that attempt so far which is why john boehner came out in a news...
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>> the whole thing with the tax increase is a red herring for the fiscal cliff discussions because we need entitlement reform. people have spoken and are not interested in anything. their focus is tax the riff, but people are going to make decisions, but that's put off into the future. you will still see momentum from a positive housing cycle, all the things the fed are doing, catch up? eventually hurt the economy, hurt in a very big way, but not out of the gate. cheryl: 25% of gdp spent, and you say it's going higher and we have a spending problem. >> i totally believe wholeheartedly independent, absolutely in the g.o.p. camp. this whole discussion is absolute crazy. that 25% is going to 40%, and increasing taxes on the riching thing -- accounts for nine days of spending. craziness. cheryl: we have a president who is in the financially responsible, and that, in your opinion, the g.o.p. will cave more than they want to because they know they will get blamed if we get down to new year's eve and there's no deal. >> the world has spoken. tax the rich, keep the ball, there's nothing that'
>> the whole thing with the tax increase is a red herring for the fiscal cliff discussions because we need entitlement reform. people have spoken and are not interested in anything. their focus is tax the riff, but people are going to make decisions, but that's put off into the future. you will still see momentum from a positive housing cycle, all the things the fed are doing, catch up? eventually hurt the economy, hurt in a very big way, but not out of the gate. cheryl: 25% of gdp spent,...
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to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. but use that debate as an economic one, says our next guest. chairman of the council of economic advisers under george w. bush and adviser to presidential candidate mitt romney. he's in new york city this morning. glenn, great to see you. >> good morning. likewise. >> what exactly does that mean? because of the context of higher taxes, and spending cuts, you would think there would be an economic impact. how can it not involve economics? >> well, there's certainly an economic impact. my point was just that the real issue for us is that our budget rules were designed for a different set of problems. you know, historically, movements in debt were about war and peace. you borrowed money to fight a war, you paid it off in peace time. now we're talking about the rise of the entitlement states. social security and medicare. we need different budget rules. this isn't just about a fiscal cliff. >> the demographics don't exactly help the problem either. we're in a time when the population is g
to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. but use that debate as an economic one, says our next guest. chairman of the council of economic advisers under george w. bush and adviser to presidential candidate mitt romney. he's in new york city this morning. glenn, great to see you. >> good morning. likewise. >> what exactly does that mean? because of the context of higher taxes, and spending cuts, you would think there would be an economic impact. how can it not involve economics? >>...
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president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless but guess what, not homeless. city officials say jeffrey hillman does have stable housing, an parm in the bronx. they say he's lived there rent-free for the past three years. but hillman regularly panhandles in times square. >> a former boy scout who says he was sexually abused is suing is the boy scouts of america. the lawsuit claims his former troop leader, thomas hacker was barred from the group in indiana in the 1970s but was able to rejoin as a volunteer in illinois in the 1980s. hacker was arrested in 1988, later convicted in the aggravated sexual assault of an
president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless...
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it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well. >>> coming up next, david shweikert is among a handful of conservatives demanding an explanation after being removed from their committee assignments. he'll join us next right here on "morning joe." meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our gr
it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well....
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. >> they say good things come to those who wait except maybe in the case of the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner said the administration will absolutely take the leap. but some say both sides could wait till january to get down to business without any big economic consequences. the expiration of the bush tax cuts forcing tax rates higher on 90% of americans won't be felt right away. some economists actually call this the fiscal float instead of the cliff because the impact would be felt gradually. however, "the wall street journal" reports others sharply disagree. they argue that quickly undoing the damage double from the cliff dive would have big consequences. some possible ways here. it could prompt sell-offs on wall street. we've already seen those. it could also further dampen consumer confidence in washington. we saw that during the debate last year over raising the federal debt ceiling. >>> looking overseas, it's interesting to get a read on how other countries are perceiving the fiscal cliff fight on capitol hill. the"the washington post" ran through head lines in interna
. >> they say good things come to those who wait except maybe in the case of the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner said the administration will absolutely take the leap. but some say both sides could wait till january to get down to business without any big economic consequences. the expiration of the bush tax cuts forcing tax rates higher on 90% of americans won't be felt right away. some economists actually call this the fiscal float instead of the cliff because the impact would be felt...
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cliff. >>> a developing story out of north korea. the country may set off a long range rocket as early as this monday. that's according to media reports in south korea. the rocket is reportedly being fueled, but heavy snowfall may have slowed down preparations. north korea wants to launch what it calls a peaceful satellite sometimes before november 22nd. the u.s. believes the rocket is a cover to test missile technology. >>> president obama is speaking out against ongoing unrest in egypt. he has called egyptian president mohamed morsi to express concern about recent protests that have resulted in numerous deaths and injuries, calling the violence unacceptable. president obama did welcome morsi's call for talks with opposition leaders. this comes after a violent week in cairo. on wednesday night, six were killed and nearly 700 injured in protest outside morsi's palace. >>> this morning d.c. mayor vincent gray will announce a new flood prevention for bloomingdale. this comes after flash floods
cliff. >>> a developing story out of north korea. the country may set off a long range rocket as early as this monday. that's according to media reports in south korea. the rocket is reportedly being fueled, but heavy snowfall may have slowed down preparations. north korea wants to launch what it calls a peaceful satellite sometimes before november 22nd. the u.s. believes the rocket is a cover to test missile technology. >>> president obama is speaking out against ongoing...
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cliff. but boehner as facing a growing backlash among rank and file republicans. some say they will never support tax hikes but others are breaking with the leadership saying they will support the president's demand for an increase on rates on upper incomes. >>> new this morning, more support for a push to crack down on texting while driving in virginia. legislation is in the works that would classify texting behind the wheel as reckless driving. the virginia state crime commission has announced its support for the measure. it is not expected to be taken up until early next year. ext y >>> time now not morning line and everybody is talking about sunday's redskins-ravens game. redskins have lost the last two against baltimore. now, as far as the redskins injuries are concerned, london fletcher sat out of practice yesterday with an ankle injury and left tackle trent williams continues to nurse a deep thigh bruise. deangelo hall is in a boot but it is like lie all of them way play this weekend.
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the fiscal cliff. we want to talk to congressman james langford, a republican from the state of oklahoma. nice to have you with us, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have in all seriousness been warned not to make plans for christmas. what do you think is the likelihood in fact that a deal would be done before christmas, number one? and what exactly are they telling you to do or not do? >> at this point we've been told by eric cantor and speaker boehner just to hold the schedule through the rest of the year. that's the same thing we heard right after the election. hang on to the calendar and we'll watch and see how this unfolds. obviously americans work through the holidays a lot and so as members of the house and senate, we'll continue to do that as well. >> how will it work low gistically. you're done today, right? the last working day, you're off tomorrow. do you go anyway and everybody is just on call meaning you'd be brought back to do some sort of a vote? >> americans loose track
the fiscal cliff. we want to talk to congressman james langford, a republican from the state of oklahoma. nice to have you with us, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have in all seriousness been warned not to make plans for christmas. what do you think is the likelihood in fact that a deal would be done before christmas, number one? and what exactly are they telling you to do or not do? >> at this point we've been told by eric cantor and speaker boehner just...
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cliff? >> and on the right, republicans who accused the president of wanting to take the plunge in order to achieve his objective number one. >> he'll probably eventually get his tax increases one way or another. he's going to get his wish. i believe we'll be raising taxes not just on the top earner. everyone is going to pay taxes next year in this country and i think that's what the president wants. >> and the center in the balance. the american economy, fed chair ben bernanke warning that the stalemate over the cliff is already inflicting damage. >> it's already affecting business investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty or creating pessimism. >> with taxes poised to go up for everyone. our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll saying increasing fed up, the majority of voters from both parties want washington to make it happen. joining me is south carolina congressman james clyburn. sir, good to have you here. we just heard nancy pelosi calls on congress not to leave the h
cliff? >> and on the right, republicans who accused the president of wanting to take the plunge in order to achieve his objective number one. >> he'll probably eventually get his tax increases one way or another. he's going to get his wish. i believe we'll be raising taxes not just on the top earner. everyone is going to pay taxes next year in this country and i think that's what the president wants. >> and the center in the balance. the american economy, fed chair ben...
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not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and this ongoing political game of chicken is something one of the chairmen of the debt commission simply calls madness. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >> willing to go over the cliff, i guess they are but they also don't believe republicans are going to go over the cliff. >> he can win politically but the costs, doesn't you agree, would be tremendous not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> and we want to bring in and say good morning to congresswoman diane black, a republican from tennessee, a member of the house budget and ways and means
not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and this ongoing political game of chicken is something one of the chairmen of the debt commission simply calls madness. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the...
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whether it's gay marriage, whether it's more salient right as the fiscal cliff where they're talking about digging their heels in to protect the one percent? their brand now is defending tax cuts for the top, very top, of our country. and, also, digging our heels in on things like gay marriage where people are now moving to the left. or on comprehensive immigration reform. or even on things like birth control that 99% of the electorate have used. it doesn't really matter what issue you're looking at. republicans are finding themselves being pulled far to the right. and part of that is whether you have folks who may challenge speaker boehner for the speakership. you also have folks that are going to primary around the country. >> let me ask this before i come out of time. one of the rising stars at the republican convention and being tallied for 2016 is chris christie, governor of new jersey. he sat down with barbara walters who began asking the hard questions he may face in 2016. listen to this. >> there are people who say that you couldn't be president because you're so heavy. what
whether it's gay marriage, whether it's more salient right as the fiscal cliff where they're talking about digging their heels in to protect the one percent? their brand now is defending tax cuts for the top, very top, of our country. and, also, digging our heels in on things like gay marriage where people are now moving to the left. or on comprehensive immigration reform. or even on things like birth control that 99% of the electorate have used. it doesn't really matter what issue you're...
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fiscal cliff. >>> find out when it is expected to hit, it is all ahead on the ktvu channel 2 morning news. complete bay area coverage starts right now this is the ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> well, good morning to you, we are ready, it is tuesday december the 11th, i am dave clark. >> let's start with the weather, maybe some rain coming? >> more cold. >>> it is even colder out there for some but it will be colder for all. upper 70s, that will be a distance memory here soon. the system does not have any rain but temperatures are coming down, low clouds and increasing clouds and very 50s, very low 60s. >>> good morning, no major problems and the weather continues to look good in sunny veil. 5:00 let's go back to the desk. >>> we have been following breaking news out of the area, tara moriarty just arrived at the scene and it's an apartment fire at the bart station. >> that's right, we are only a block away from the bart station. >> reporter: these are some apartment complexes and you can see firefighters right now are making sure there are no more hot spots in the addict -- attic b
fiscal cliff. >>> find out when it is expected to hit, it is all ahead on the ktvu channel 2 morning news. complete bay area coverage starts right now this is the ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> well, good morning to you, we are ready, it is tuesday december the 11th, i am dave clark. >> let's start with the weather, maybe some rain coming? >> more cold. >>> it is even colder out there for some but it will be colder for all. upper 70s, that will be a...
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president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone no
president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not...
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the fiscal cliff involves nearly four dollars of anticipated revenue from higher taxes for every dollar of spending cuts, yet the president wants more revenue and fewer spending cuts. if we fell off the cliff, his plan calls for another round of stimulus spending. you have got to be kidding me. what the president's plan lacks is any reform in our entitlement system. the unrestrained growth in entitlement system is driving deficits and driving the debt even higher than the percentage of our gdp. it is estimated to be as high as $128 trillion. even if they confiscate all of the income that excesses $1 million, we cannot pay for the entitlement commitments that the federal government has made. we have made promises to ourselves that we simply cannot keep. without some sensible entitlement reform, our credit rating will be downgraded again. we will become a country that none of us recognize. secondly, fiscal plans failed to achieve their government budget deficit or debt reduction goals. dr. hassett has examined fiscal plans in other countries. on average, unsuccessful plans proposed an inc
the fiscal cliff involves nearly four dollars of anticipated revenue from higher taxes for every dollar of spending cuts, yet the president wants more revenue and fewer spending cuts. if we fell off the cliff, his plan calls for another round of stimulus spending. you have got to be kidding me. what the president's plan lacks is any reform in our entitlement system. the unrestrained growth in entitlement system is driving deficits and driving the debt even higher than the percentage of our gdp....
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silence about the fiscal cliff. the president and the house speaker john boehner holding closed door meetings to work out a deal or try to. 21 days and counting away from tax hikes and spending cuts going into affect. and congress breaks for christmas on friday. here is where things stand. the president hitting the road to sell his tax plan to -- at a truck plant to workers in michigan. and there are fiscal cliff talks and on capitol hill for a single day, all was quiet. that's always bad news if you are a political reporter, shannon travis live in washington, d.c.. there are some people who say well, let's read into the silence, because that's all we're getting and it's good news. do you feel that way? >> could be potentially good news. there is this notion of not negotiating through the media. the stakes are high, puts pressure on both sides. so on? that sense, as much as we would love to know what's going on in these discussions, it might be good to take some of the pressure off. i will read a statement from hous
silence about the fiscal cliff. the president and the house speaker john boehner holding closed door meetings to work out a deal or try to. 21 days and counting away from tax hikes and spending cuts going into affect. and congress breaks for christmas on friday. here is where things stand. the president hitting the road to sell his tax plan to -- at a truck plant to workers in michigan. and there are fiscal cliff talks and on capitol hill for a single day, all was quiet. that's always bad news...
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cliff. for the first time in days, president obama and house speaker john balkaner spoke by phone about the looming deadline. there reportedly was no major progress but leaders say it was a start. the two sides have agreed to tax reforms and spending cuts but are still at a stalemate on raising attacks on incomes over $250,000. >> the hold-up right now is that speaker boehner took a position i think the day after the campaign that said we're willing to bring in revenue but we're not willing to increase rates. >> i'm be here an i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> speaker boehner says the president has not responded to the republicans' latest proposal that does not include a tax increase on wealthy americans. >>> new this thursday morning, former delegate tiffany alston is officially out of office. yesterday, a prince george's county judge ruled that she was out of office following her october plea deal relating to office
cliff. for the first time in days, president obama and house speaker john balkaner spoke by phone about the looming deadline. there reportedly was no major progress but leaders say it was a start. the two sides have agreed to tax reforms and spending cuts but are still at a stalemate on raising attacks on incomes over $250,000. >> the hold-up right now is that speaker boehner took a position i think the day after the campaign that said we're willing to bring in revenue but we're not...
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and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything done. >> reporter: potential effects of the fiscal cliff in rock island, illinois aren't necessarily any better or worse than in other cities around the country. the bottom line is if congress fails to act, repercussions will be felt across the country. wolf? >> ted rowlands in rock island, illinois. >>> imagine being able to use your ipad, cell phone in the air whenever you want. up next, we have details on a new government effort under way now to keep you plugged in all the time, including on takeoff and landing, while flying. stand by. ♪
and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything...
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we are concerned about the fiscal cliff, because of taxes. we are saving, absolutely. we're holding on any types of expansion. in an economy that's like desperate for jobs, that shouldn't be the case. there's really no politics when you have to balance the budget like we do in business every day. it's the same here. i would like lawmakers in congress to compromise and make a settlement, avoid the fiscal cliff, and move on. >> welcome back to our sal mission critical rise above d.c. coverage. i'm jim cramer. becky quick. we're coming to you from capitol hill. and we're here encouraging lawmakers to rise above partisan politics and negotiate a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining us now senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin. thanks so much for coming. >> good morning. >> i'm getting worried here. because clock is ticking. should we allow a vacation without legislation? >> no, i'm happy to stay here until we get this thing fixed. understand how absurd this process is. we've done this with the debt ceiling. with the super committee. now we're back here again wh
we are concerned about the fiscal cliff, because of taxes. we are saving, absolutely. we're holding on any types of expansion. in an economy that's like desperate for jobs, that shouldn't be the case. there's really no politics when you have to balance the budget like we do in business every day. it's the same here. i would like lawmakers in congress to compromise and make a settlement, avoid the fiscal cliff, and move on. >> welcome back to our sal mission critical rise above d.c....